Pure non-Bayesians

Back when I used to teach at Berkeley, I used to run into non-Bayesian hardliners–the kind of people who would say no to prior information even if it were wrapped nicely, placed on a warm plate, and served with a delicious pile of crisp fries. I don’t run into such people much anymore but then recently Matthew Yglesias linked to my mention of economy-based election forecasts. I read the comments, one of which says:

The problem with this sort of analysis is that we’re working with very few data points. We’ve only ever had 50 some odd Presidential elections. 12 in the television era. 2 in the internet era. It’s very very hard to generalize anything from a small dataset, and even correlations don’t mean much – who’s to say that the macroeconomic correlations are any more meaningful than the Redskins game?

I agree with the bit about the small sample size–as I often tell people–95% intervals on the national election outcome don’t mean much considering we wouldn’t even try to apply a single model to 20 successive elections–but . . . “who’s to say that the macroeconomic correlations are any more meaningful than the Redskins game?” ???

The answer is: Everyone can agree that macroeconomic correlations are more meaningful than the Redskins game. For one thing, voters when surveyed say that the economy is important to their voting. They don’t say that the Redskins game is important. Also most people don’t care about the Redskins. Etc etc. In statistics we call this prior information. Anyway, I’m not trying to pick on a blog commenter–not everyone’s an expert in every field of endeavor–it was just funny to see such a pure non-Bayesian in the wild, so to speak.

3 thoughts on “Pure non-Bayesians

  1. Under the belief of "oneness" it would be accepted that everything has influence on everything else. Your comments and analysis are statistical and concrete in nature, ignoring that there are always less concrete explanations for things. Whether or not you consider them viable, some people will believe them to be true because they are part of a belief system.

    This leads to a question… how do you account for non-concrete/illogical/irrational thought within a concrete/logical/rational system/model? :)

  2. Everything has influence on everything else. The effect of the Redskins on the election is . . . very very very very very small. The effect of an economic downturn is . . . very very large. If someone wants to offer an opposite belief system, fine. I don't think they'll get many takers.

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